Moose Jaw Forum

With the moving of a detox facility into a quiet neighborhood on South Hill, it looks like some group of administrators have put the cart before the horse again, like many others before them. What drives these kinds of administrators to move forward without consulting those it will most directly affect until after it is too late to turn back? Where do they get the authority to make such far reaching decisions??? In this supposedly modern day democratic society isn`t there laws or checks and balances put in place to head off the kind of issues and concerns these people in this community are now facing?

zephyrn wrote:And when psych becomes involved, that is more reason for concern.

Yes especially when MJ mental health is already overwhelmed.

zephyrn wrote:Someone was telling me that the present staff will be out of their jobs as psych nurses will now be taking over.

Yup, out with the non-union and in with union jobs and union wages!!

If it ain`t broke why fix it?

zephyrn wrote:

Yup, out with the non-union and in with union jobs and union wages!!

If it ain`t broke why fix it?[/quote]

Dead wrong zephyn Angus Campbell is unionized. Priapus is correct brand new sewage line, less than two years old but it will still be used. I am too close to this issue so I am limited as to what I can say. Angus Campbell will continue to operate (minus the government funding of course). It will be tough no doubt but they have strong private sector support and a good track record. As well, they can provide their services at a much lower rate than any government run facility. The new group taking over the funding has no track record so I will be curious to see where their costs come in. I really question the Sask Party on this one. The City as well. I know I would be big time ticked if I were a property owner up there. Who is looking after their interests?? What options do they have?? Priapus probably knows more about objections and zoning matters.

jackmerlin wrote:

zephyrn wrote:

Yup, out with the non-union and in with union jobs and union wages!!

If it ain`t broke why fix it?

Dead wrong zephyn Angus Campbell is unionized. Priapus is correct brand new sewage line, less than two years old but it will still be used. I am too close to this issue so I am limited as to what I can say. Angus Campbell will continue to operate (minus the government funding of course). It will be tough no doubt but they have strong private sector support and a good track record. As well, they can provide their services at a much lower rate than any government run facility. The new group taking over the funding has no track record so I will be curious to see where their costs come in. I really question the Sask Party on this one. The City as well. I know I would be big time ticked if I were a property owner up there. Who is looking after their interests?? What options do they have?? Priapus probably knows more about objections and zoning matters.[/quote]

Is it safe to say that a big difference between the Angus Campbell Centre and the proposed centre is that one has people who have gone through addictions and are now helping because they turned their lives around and the new facility is going to employ government workers?

For me people who truly want to turn their lives around need help and assistance to get back to the straight and narrow and if they truly want to do this should be supported.
I know that some of the people who went to Angus Campbell were just alcoholics and not addicted to hard drugs.
With that said I also understand the concerns and questions of the neighbourhood.
These people live here and there wishes should have precedence especially when they already have one centre already doing a good job.

My sincere apologies zephyrn.

truth defender wrote: Is it safe to say that a big difference between the Angus Campbell Centre and the proposed centre is that one has people who have gone through addictions and are now helping because they turned their lives around and the new facility is going to employ government workers?

Certainly that rings true in a few cases at the Angus Campbell Centre. I cannot comment on the new group that has taken over the funding, but I would venture there would be a mix of both professional and personal motivation as well.

jackmerlin wrote:My sincere apologies zephyrn.

truth defender wrote: Is it safe to say that a big difference between the Angus Campbell Centre and the proposed centre is that one has people who have gone through addictions and are now helping because they turned their lives around and the new facility is going to employ government workers?

Certainly that rings true in a few cases at the Angus Campbell Centre. I cannot comment on the new group that has taken over the funding, but I would venture there would be a mix of both professional and personal motivation as well.

Thanks Jack.
I use to know a board member out there and he told me he was involved due to his alcoholism.
He also told me that everyday was a struggle for him despite not drinking for years.

With that said I can still understand the fears of local residents.
Personally I do not think this is a done deal as a major part of becoming clean and sober is community support - I watch A and E. It might not be too beneficial to your clients to set up shop where the neighbours really do not want you around. I would not think it would be too conducive to recovery knowing the neighbours have the torches and pitch forks at the ready.

Given the turnout at the two meetings and what was said there are some very deep feelings here and I doubt if some health district community board is ever going to allay those concerns.
From what I was told - by someone who was there - the health district people were really caught flatfooted by the neighbourhood response.